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    That is a REALLY nice clean tone! Don't even know what to say that you didn't already say...

    Thanks for sharing. If I ever win the lotto, I'll look into that amp for sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robus View Post
    I auditioned the Tubemeister 18 for a cleanish rhythm part of a song. Here's the result.
    Are you going to incorporate this amp into old songs, or is it for tunes going forward? Sounds really, really good.

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    Thanks. This was one of my go-to amps before I got the Mesa 5:25 back in October. It's on lots of my songs. It's still in the rotation, though I'm not using it as often as before.

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    Telecaster and Fender Princeton Reverb Classic

    While I'm at it... Same as above, but using the silverface Princeton 15 watt combo. I've had this amp about a year. It gets used pretty often. It's Fender's spinoff from the '65 blackface reissue. It is voiced for earlier breakup and uses a Celestion Vintage 10. It has taken the speaker a long time to break in, though it seems to be mellowing. The V10 in my late-90s Trace-Elliot Velocette is one of the best sounding speakers I have ever played, so hopes are high.

    princeton-reverb-classic-jpg

    I dual miked the amp with an SM57 and a Sennheiser e906, then panned the tracks apart and blended them. Just for fun, the ending is a mix with the Princeton and Tubemeister blended together.

    What do you all think? Comparing the Princeton to the Tubemeister, I hear a big difference between the open and closed back cabs. The closed back 1x12 projects focused mids and tighter bottom. The Princeton's open cab gives that classic Fender scoop in the mids, and a squishier bottom. I like them both, though the Fender sound gets used more often in the music I'm doing these days.

    Te PRC 906 57 blend.mp3 - Google Drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robus View Post
    What do you all think?
    Sounds much better in the mix than on its own, while the previous amp/cab sounded better in both situations. The first one was just phenomenal, in my opinion.

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    I don't know what it is, but I'm not getting something out of that tone. For a Fender through Fender tone, it doesn't have the clarity I'm used to, and seems just a little dull. I mean, I'm not looking for AMAZINGLY bright, but which pickup were you using and can you do that again with a little brighter pickup selection, or some more treble in the pickup(s)? It sounds almost like you were on the neck only...that tele should sound a bit brighter through there (IMO).
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    Listening again, I agree. Partly, it might be that the Tubemeister is double tracked, whereas with the Princeton it's a single take with two mics panned opposite. But the Tubemeister clip is just a little cleaner, a real edge-of-breakup tone wheres the Princeton is beyond that, into drive territory. On the mix part of the second clip, you are hearing some of the Tubemeister mixed in too.

    If I had it to do over again, I would have bought the blackface reissue Princeton rather than the silverface. It's a nice amp and well worth having, but in retrospect I would like a little more clean headroom. I'd like to push that speaker harder before the amp begins to break up. Then again, that early breakup has its uses too.

    Very interesting. I've got some time tomorrow afternoon. Maybe I'll try out more amps. There is the Mesa, the Fender Deluxe, the Velocette, and the Marshall 40 watt combo.

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    Telecaster and Fender Deluxe Reverb '65 Reissue

    Continuing on....here is the Deluxe Reverb.

    fender-drri-sm57-e906-jpg

    This would be my desert island amp. It's the same song as the two above, Tele soloed then the mix. To make a fair comparison, I double tracked the Deluxe. On each track, I'm using a blend of the SM57 and the e906. Both tracks use the spring reverb. One of them has a Memory Boy delay in front of the amp.

    Volume is between 4 and 5, which is where this amp begins to break up. The contrast with the Princeton is striking. I went cleaner this time. There's a dimension that I'm not hearing in the Princeton. Though to be fair, I should have double tracked the Princeton too.

    This clip shows why the Deluxe is such a workhorse. This tone would fit in any song I've recorded in the past couple of years.

    However, I'll have to say the Tubemeister is still winning the shootout at this point. More to come.

    Te DRRI 906 57 blend_double tracked_solo + mix.mp3 - Google Drive

    Here are a couple of odds and ends, same setup as the previous. The solo part is from a song that's finished and in Dave's queue for drums. It'll show up at the Clinic one of these days. Guitar soloed, then the mix. I let the mix clip run on a little longer, as I'm happy with the guitars generally on this song.

    Te DRRI 906 57 blend_lets ride solo then mix.mp3 - Google Drive

    I'm not sure the Deluxe is right for this solo. My go-to for that kind of spanky, Tele-ish solo thing is the Trace-Elliot Velocette. It has an uncanny ability to sit low in a busy mix and still cut through clearly, whereas you can hear the Deluxe is getting a bit lost. I'll retrack with the Velocette and post the results.
    Last edited by Robus; 06-22-2017 at 21:54.

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    Telecaster and Trace-Elliot Velocette

    Here is the Trace-Elliot Velocette. It's a 15 watt combo with a pair of EL84s and a Vintage 10. Is is surprising loud. I bought this amp new in the early 2000s. These days, I use it mostly when I want a certain lead guitar sound, often with a Tele. If you've been listening to my songs with Nick and Dave, you've heard it a quite a few times.

    trace-elliot-velocette-sm57-e906-jpg

    What I like about this amp is its ability to slot into a mix and be heard clearly, without needing to be too loud. It's got a bold tone, fairly bright, straightforward rather than subtle. Really responsive to your playing. I have a tendency to pluck notes with my right hand for emphasis. This amp likes that kind of stuff.

    So here are two clips. The first is the same song as all the previous ones. I stuck with the two mic arrangement, 57 and 906. I double tracked the part. One track has the Memory Boy delay in front of the amp, the other is bone dry since there is no reverb on the Velocette. I panned the two wide apart. Volume and tone knobs on the amp were about 12:00, which is edge of breakup with this guitar.

    Tele Velo 57_906 blend doubled guitars then mix.mp3 - Google Drive

    Here is the Velo with the lead guitar part that I tried first with the Fender Deluxe in the last post. The amp volume is at about 3:00, so pretty saturated. I tracked the Memory Boy in front of the amp, as per my usual practice of tracking guitar FX. Since I won't be adding ambiance ITB to guitars, the delay is all the ambiance it will get. However, I'm thinking the pedal might be introducing a little harshness, so need to reevaluate.

    This is miked through the 57. I double tracked a couple of bars to help enunciate that sixteenth note ascending passage that begins at measure five of the solo. Otherwise it's single tracked. The mix follows. I wanted this solo part to sit over on the left side, as low as possible while still being heard clearly.

    Tele Velo 57 lets ride solo then then mix.mp3 - Google Drive

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    Telecaster and Mesa Boogie V 25.

    One last clip. Same as all the above, this time through the Mesa 25 watt head and closed back 1x12 cab. I'm using the 25 watt setting, clean channel, "fat" mode. This mode seems to be working best for me in most situations, regardless of guitar. Graphic EQ is turned off, master dimed and gain about 11:00. The mids are rolled back slightly.

    mesa-boogie-v-25-jpg

    Same blend of SM57 and e906. I double tracked the part and panned wide. Both tracks are using the amp reverb. One of the tracks has the Memory Boy delay in the loop.

    Tele MB fa 57 906 blend_ solo then mix.mp3 - Google Drive

    It has been interesting to compare these amps. If you're familiar with any of my songs, you know the kind of rhythm part I've playing here shows up a lot in my music. All in all, I'm still thinking that the Tubemeister brought something special. But it's good to have choices and options.

    Eventually I'll do another shootout with a different song and different guitar.

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