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Nola

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Hey guys, I am trying to find a compliment to my Princeton (non reverb). So, something with a nice reverb ala "surf rock" style, but small like a Princeton where I can play it in the apartment. I bought a Gibson Scout, and the reverb was amazing, but the amp had surprisingly low output and was kinda big for what it is, so I returned it. Hit me with some ideas for a second complimentary amp! Thanks
 
I'm partial to my Twin, it's not a classic Twin Reverb, but one they made for a short time in the 90s just called "The Twin". It's a 3-channel twin, and the reverb on it is awesome. Mine's a '96 or '97, not sure. Now if I can only get the guts to mic it and record with it someday.

Do they still make Fender Champs, Hotrods, or Deluxe's? I'd look into those. Bassman's are nice too, but probably not what you're looking for.
 
If you wanted another Fender, you could also look at the Blues Jr. But you might want to branch out. You could do worse than a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18, though I would highly recommend the head rather than the combo. So you would need a cab, a 1x12 ideally. I was just recording with mine this afternoon. I'll probably post some clips on the new new tone thread.
 
haha Well, there's really not any surf in a small amp. My blackface twin reverb was suitable. My silverface deluxe reverb wasn't. Do what you can. That MOD Kits DIY reverb is $275 and close enough for Dick Dale and, also, Crazy Horse.
 
Btw, that Tubemeister has no reverb but does have a loop. I use the Hall of Fame pedal with it.
 
I may have been over verbed in my youth, so I never really go out of my way to have guitar reverb. - 'verb in guitar amps, spring reverbs bouncing around in the car trunk, and spring reverb for home stereo.

I usually want tube layouts, though. the 6g2 is two 6v6, so a single ended 6bq5 is kinda the opposite.

Like the Tremolo in the 6g2, though, not all of those basic effects sound as good as the defining circuits.

Hang 11
 
Is it for stage? Or for recording?

Thought about a moddeling amp?
For recording modelling amps are well known to be good. And for home playing, as they don't need power to reach the specific sounds. A downside from tube amps which do need to be played with higher power.
I myself have one too with all kinds of reverb (plate, tape, hall) to be used on several well known historical amp's like Marshall '68 and Mesa Boogie.
Great for surf rock and other 60's and 70's music. Lately i'm jamming/practising CCR a lot with it trying to replicate their sound.
 
A lot of small amps won't stand up well to a brownface Princeton. It's sound is dated, but its still very versatile. I played with an additional homemade 12-inch cab and a single pickup Casino.

I had the Tonelab ST pedal, but recently snagged a Peavey VIP-1 amp for its take on modeling. What I was seeing as different is that they were using more of a hi-fi speaker to SIM computer Amp SIMs ? hahaha I'm still thinking it a bit odd as a amp, but I generally like it so far. Right now, I have a Volca FM synth hooked up to it.

It's got spring reverb SIM, but I don't expect to get the big amp presence out of it. That's more of a personal thing
 
If you really want the surf tones without blowing a lot of money and maintenance on a vintage amp, get a '65 deluxe reverb. That's what Los Straitjackets uses. In their rig rundown on youtube it was kinda cool because they are well-known and could easily afford to get old brownfaces if they wanted and they use completely stock new '65 deluxe reverbs. Their lead guitarist basically said this was the easiest thing to do. It's a decent, reliable, low maintenance amp. Those guys get nice tones too.

Pedals are generally meh for surf tones IMO, and I have a pretty decent A/B I can test against with my 64 showman, 15 inch tone ring cab, and external '63 fender reverb unit. Having that old amp is fun, and there truly is something about it that is special. But you can get 90% of the way there for a lot less money.

There are a lot of amps that can't do surf tones. It's a lot more than just slapping a bunch of reverb on there. I have a Mesa DC-5 and an Orange Rockerverb - both good amps that can do a lot - both suck at surf rock. There are some alternatives (like vintage Ampegs) but Fender is king here.
 
I would not argue with anybody recommending a 65 Deluxe. Best amp purchase I ever made, and the one I would keep if I sold everything else. But clean headroom isn't really its thing, and you will be spending over a grand new. I would highly recommend the 65 over the silverface 68 reissue. Tadpui who used to post here has the 68 and wasn't completely happy with it.
 
No, I don't think a Deluxe Reverb can do Surf. Like I say, though, do what you can : )

Like Robus says; "clean headroom isn't really its thing".

That's important as this is what excites the big tank. Go surf all day and see what you choose : ) haha
 
I would not argue with anybody recommending a 65 Deluxe. Best amp purchase I ever made, and the one I would keep if I sold everything else. But clean headroom isn't really its thing, and you will be spending over a grand new. I would highly recommend the 65 over the silverface 68 reissue. Tadpui who used to post here has the 68 and wasn't completely happy with it.

A funny thing about the '68 reissue: it was always a total mess when turning it up above about 5 on either channel. The overdrive that it produced was unpleasant, and the whole thing rattled pretty badly and would actually start to produce weird resonant notes unrelated to the notes that I was playing. Not a recipe for a pleasant sound.

A few weeks ago, I got a Two Notes Torpedo and ran the 68DR into it with the speaker unplugged. Without the speaker and chassis involved, I think it sounds pretty damn awesome. I can really crank it and get nice sounding distortion/OD. So I think that my troubles were a combination of one or more slightly microphonic tubes, and the fact that a tube combo is just a torture chamber.

Having now experienced what a load box and speaker/cab/mic emulator can do, I'm hard pressed to recommend anything less for quiet/apartment electric guitar recording. But that's a topic for another thread...
 
Nola, you might need to decide a couple of related questions. First, are you looking for a surf amp specifically, or is the goal to expand your palette of tones while getting something that will cover the occasional surf thing? Second, do you want another Fender or would you rather branch out?

If surf were your No1 priority, price were no object, and loud were no barrier, I'd say go get a Twin Reverb and be done with it. The reissues can be had used for under a grand, or about fifteen hundred new. But given that you are already struggling to be able to crank up your brownface, a Twin Reverb would be about as practical as buying a tank for your daily commuter ride.

Beyond that, as much as I love the classic Fender combos there are some modern features I'd be looking for if I already owned a Fender and were looking to add a second amp. For example, DI cab emulation and an FX loop. Not to mention, for home recording a head/cab arrangement can offer you a lot of work flow advantages over a combo that might not seem like a big deal initially, but that over time will have you reaching for the head more often. Less rattle too.

That DI out is a massive, massive advantage. As noise is already an issue for you, it lets you be productive in times and places when could not otherwise play, and without resorting to a sim. Nothing wrong with sims (or a modeling amp, same idea), but you and I have chosen not to use them. I'm sure there are better and worse emulations out there, but the ones on my Tubemeister 18 and especially my Mesa 5:25 are both good. Likewise the FX loop. Without a loop, your effects pedals are going into the front end. That sounds great for some effects, not so much for others. There is actually a way to chain the two channels of an amp like the Fender Deluxe to simulate an FX loop, though you need a way to reverse the phase of a signal to avoid cancellation.
 
A funny thing about the '68 reissue: it was always a total mess when turning it up above about 5 on either channel. The overdrive that it produced was unpleasant, and the whole thing rattled pretty badly and would actually start to produce weird resonant notes unrelated to the notes that I was playing. Not a recipe for a pleasant sound.

A few weeks ago, I got a Two Notes Torpedo and ran the 68DR into it with the speaker unplugged. Without the speaker and chassis involved, I think it sounds pretty damn awesome. I can really crank it and get nice sounding distortion/OD. So I think that my troubles were a combination of one or more slightly microphonic tubes, and the fact that a tube combo is just a torture chamber.

Having now experienced what a load box and speaker/cab/mic emulator can do, I'm hard pressed to recommend anything less for quiet/apartment electric guitar recording. But that's a topic for another thread...

Good to see you around, Tad. I remember you mentioning the rattle on your silverface reissue. I have the silverface Princeton reissue and it rattles when you crank it and hit certain low notes, F# and G on the low E string in my case. It is a known issue on the Princetons, related to the construction of the baffle. There is a fix, though I haven't bothered. I've heard of people replacing the entire cab with an aftermarket one. I was surprised and disappointed to hear you were experiencing the same problem on the Deluxe.

I also agree with you on the overdrive characteristics of the silverface reissues. My understanding is that the circuit in that series was designed to produce earlier breakup, but honestly I think it's a step back from the great breakup you hear on the blackface reissues. I do like my silverface Princeton, but it's pretty much in its element doing super-duper clean parts at moderate volume. That happens to be something I need often in my arrangements, so the amp gets a lot of use.

I'm sure you know, Pete Thorn on youtube is a proponent of the load box/emulation reverb approach. There is a video where he explains the process in detail and compares different load boxes. Looks interesting.
 
Nola, you might need to decide a couple of related questions. First, are you looking for a surf amp specifically, or is the goal to expand your palette of tones while getting something that will cover the occasional surf thing? Second, do you want another Fender or would you rather branch out?

Probably something to branch out yet that can also do surf. That Gibson Scout had a lot of clean headroom and an amazing reverb and surf tone, but it had a lot of problems (I can see why they're cheap). So something like that Scout would be nice. I just haven't found many equivalents when googling. I'm open to new or old for sure.
 
Take your time in deciding. There are a lot of options in your price range. You can find an amp with modern features that does a good range of tones. Have you thought about something that can do more gain? Your music is not so much about that, but it's useful to have on tap.
 
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